Stopping Power Myths & What Really Matters to Stop Attackers

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Another great and favourite topic in survival community is matter of best caliber and weapon for SHTF, and ammo with most stopping power. Stopping power means how quickly and with few bullets you can make threat unable to attack you or anyone else.

I tell you now, even for urban survival and the situation I have been through and speak about in my course, it is more important to discuss water filtering in urban SHTF scenarios than talking about stopping power.

Do not get me wrong, I am perfectly aware that burst from the machine gun in the man standing in front of you will do much more damage (and probably will stop him forever) than shooting at him with a pistol.

I have seen and been in lots of gunfights and in real life, shootings are not so simple that guy with bigger gun wins.

It is about you

Guy who was standing next to me pulls pistol (TT 7.62 mm like in the picture above) at attacker who was starting to run away from us. I did not want to shoot at the guy because he was running away from us, and I thought he did not need to be shot, but my friend thought different.

Anyway, he raises the pistol, and fired 6 bullets at the guy. Guy was some 6-7 meters from him. And he missed him, all six bullets missed the guy, who run away.

Guy who was running away was moving away from us, but not in straight line, he was moving diagonally so I guess that adds little bit to why all bullets missed.

But man who was shooting from the pistol did next:

  1. He held the pistol with one hand
  2. Fired 6 shots in very fast manner (recoil did its job so he did not spend to reacquire target)
  3. Screamed very loud while shooting

I had (and still have) lot of confidence in TT pistol, it is reliable and scary thing in good hands, and can do lot of damage.
But point is that you are the man who makes the shot (and kills). So first you need to work on your skills. A .22 bullet to the head is worth more than .45 to the shoulder. Common sense.

Weapon is something that in my opinion needs to be good and correct for you and your hand. There is no point in having some weapon just because it is good for someone else, maybe it is completely wrong for you.

Recoil, trigger pull and general feel are just few of many factors that determine what makes sense. Get gun that enables you to hit your target even if people on shooting range shoot bigger caliber. We train for survival and not to show off.

About gunshot wounds

Gunshot wounds are kinda strange stuff, because you never know what you can expect from it. When bullets enter the body it can make quite interesting stuff, so I have seen people being hit from high caliber weapon and they even did not know they are hit, OK adrenaline works there too, but it is simply important the vital organs are damaged.

Bullets can have very weird path once they enter the body, so even if entrance wound looks not so dangerous it still can shred organs in body.

You never know what it will be, because there are many factors involved like weapon caliber, distance, angle… Bullets ricocheting from wall or ceiling above you still can kill you, actually small pieces of wall exploded from bullet hits can kill you if they hit right spot.

Generally speaking exit wound (if there is any) should look more “nasty” than entrance wound, but still there were cases when in middle of the fight some folks did not know they had any wound at all, until later they were carefully examined and entrance and exit wound were found.

I treated man once who had gunshot wound in forearm, some 10 minutes after the battle people pointed at him and at the blood coming all along his arm and fingers. He had entrance and exit wound, no bone damaged, and still no pain. Adrenaline.

Stopping power, penetration etc.

Remember the guy from the beginning of the post, maybe if he had knife or alternative weapon in that moment he would stop that man with more success.

And yes, I would always choose to have good and reliable pistol over a spear, but you get my point. I have seen guys who “stop” other guys with bullets from .22 CZ rifle in some very very cool (and scary) way, and on quite some distance. They simply were good with that rifle.

Shots in the head and chest have more chances to “stop” a man. Man can be also stopped with few shots in legs, but remember that he still can shoot you.

Still do not expect that man will be “blown away” with one shot in the chest, like i movies. Even if you hit the man in heart, he still have chance to shoot you.

So in short, yes, bullets in chest and head are good, but BULLETS not A BULLET. Just be sure. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Nothing worse than stopping too early.

Bullets in the stomach are bad things, but I have seen people firing back at their attacker with rifle with their intestines hanging out.

Also important to consider is the meaning of the word “cover”. Remember that some things just cannot give you enough cover. There is not much better than big pile of compact dirt or concrete wall between you and man who shoots at you.

Use common sense with taking cover, objects like wooden door, bush, glass and similar are not cover, they are concealment. They can maybe HIDE you, but you still can be killed with bullets through it.

Many times I mentioned it that in SHTF you need lots of ammo, people shoot at whatever is suspicious. If you are hiding behind wooden door, attacker can shoot burst just through the door, to be sure. You are not covered.

Will to kill

When I wrote those 3 points about what the guy with TT gun did and why he did not shoot the other man, there needs probably (but I never know for sure) to be number 4 and that is “he did not want to kill the man”.

Yes, even in life threatening situations lots of people simply would choose not to kill, even if that means death for them. I believe it is something that some people simply can not do. They are not capable of that, to take some other mans life.

Maybe it looks that this is not connected with this topic about stopping power, but it is. So while choosing what weapon is good for you, you need to ask yourself “am I capable of taking other mans life?”. Any hesitation can kill you when it matters, whatever caliber you have.

Lesson here is, instead of researching “tacticool” stuff online, learning about survival and going down to shooting range and finding gun with common round in the area that one shoots well with is what makes sense. The gun you know how to use best has biggest stopping power.

Share your opinion about this topic over here.

41 responses to “Stopping Power Myths & What Really Matters to Stop Attackers”

  1. Tim Gray says:

    There is a second effect of that event of him shooting. That person running away will never ever mess with you again, the psychological warfare that shooting at him and the yelling did will do more to deter that person returning than a round in the shoulder ever will.

    Getting the reputation of “crazy fucker that will shoot you in the back” is a good reputation to have.

    • Selco says:

      Yes Tim, that might be truth in some people, in this particular case it worked. But in some other case guy who was running away simply could prepare and shoot in later chance (or attack with any weapon) “strengthened” with shooter inability to shoot moving target.

  2. Jason says:

    As a former private security officer, police officer and member of US Marines and US Navy as a Corpsman attached to a Marine unit with a tour to Iraq I can say I’ve spent plenty of time toting guns around and shooting them. I stumbled upon a site, http://www.theboxotruth.com, that evaluates in real world scenarios the claims of ammo manufacturers products. (Because of this site I will never buy hollow points again. I’ll save my money and buy a third more ball ammo.) But in the end he ends it the same way. “A rifle’s a rifle and a pistol’s a pistol”. So don’t get too hung up on “this caliber or that caliber”. You must first be proficient with that weapon because the best gun in a dummy’s hand is nothing but a club!

  3. Jason says:

    I agree, Selco. If he attacked you once, whht’s going to stop him next time? What if only the wife and children are there next time and “the crazy bastard with a pistol” is gone????

  4. PW says:

    “Weapon is something that in my opinion needs to be good and correct for you and your hand. There is no point in having some weapon just because it is good for someone else, maybe it is completely wrong for you. Recoil, trigger pull and general feel are just few of many factors that determine what makes sense.”

    So true. This is why I like Sig Sauer. It’s just best for me. I learned to shoot with Makarov (yeah, some say that this projectile weapon:)), I really like TT, but Sig is best for me. Lot of my friends prefer Glock because it is the best for them so this is very personal thing. You should always test and try weapon, wrong choice may cost your life.

  5. chuck b says:

    That could also work the other way – since the man shot at him, maybe the “runner” will not take the risk of being shot at again, but next time may shoot first! You never really know what you may have started in such a situation.

    Chuck B.

    • Selco says:

      Sure, everything is possible. I like view that if you pull the weapon then finish the job. Of course before that you need to know are you really need to use weapon at all, and be sure that you can use it on proper way.

      In real life SHTF it is dangerous if you hesitate or if you do not know what you want, and of course if you are not able to do something on proper way.

  6. Security isa Myth says:

    The old saying is true- “A fool with a tool, is still a Fool!”

  7. HABCAN says:

    Selco, you have the right of it. Mindset is mandatory. The other commenters also are correct. BTDT.

  8. Mike says:

    In the shoes of the “runner” I would come back without any doubt, as the shooter proved himself to be a total hysterical idiot and not a shooter at all. It is much more dangerous to have such opponent on the territory of the interest than to face him. I would come back to get rid of such threat for good. Simply remember, that for the “runner” the two other guys were the bad guys and a threat. In such situation there can hardly be “good” and “bad” guys, it depends on which side of the gun barrel you stand.

  9. Highdesert45 says:

    I believe it is the Buckeye Shooters Association that published a study of 2000 +/- shootings, that showed that caliber really is not the issue. It was shot placement that made all the difference. Large .45 cal rounds stopped threats no better than .22 and .32 rounds. Are you trained? Do you have the mid set? Are you prepared?

  10. Johnny Bailey says:

    Ask 10 different folks what the best handgun for self-defense is, and you’ll get 10 different answers.
    I’ll stick with what is pictured above…. The Romanian Tokarev TTC. The gun is a tank, and virtually tailor-made for SHTF situations. It was milled out of a block of military grade steel, and it has no plastic or polymer parts, except for the hand grips. Function and internal guts are similar to the 1911, but more reliable. Plus, the bullet is a bona-fide penetrator. The surplus rounds for this gun travel at 2000 fps! Mind you, the average AK-47 round travels anywhere from 2200-2400 FPS, so the power of this round is put in perspective. The commercial stuff comes in at around 1722-1733fps…. still very respectable.
    Fact; in a SHTF situation as is being discussed, you would most likely be facing folks that would fire upon you from behind hardened barriers, like cars, dumpsters, brick corners, trees, etc. You need something that will penetrate that if you want to put an end to the party. The 7.62×25 Tokarev round will also EASILY penetrate level III kevlar. If this country ever implodes into shootouts with govt forces, they WILL be wearing it, so make sure you have something that WILL PENETRATE it in case the need ever arises. An average .45 round travels around 895 FPS. It will NOT do the job, folks. It’ll knock someone on their can, probably break a rib or 3, but it will not penetrate. Same with the 9 mil, .22, .38, .357, .40 cal and .45 cal. Level III kevlar is designed to stop average handgun rounds, so they function as manufactured. The Tokarev round is the exception.
    Reason i took the liberty of buying one…… i didn’t know much about them in the beginning, but the very 1st video i saw of this gun, some guy was blowing big chunks out of a Toyota Forerunner brake drum with it. Just shredding the thing! I’m not overly concerned about over-penetration as i live kinda out in the sticks and my home is bermed on 3 sides. My family members have 20 seconds to get to pre-determined spots if they hear shooting in the house or close by. That way, i know EXACTLY WHERE I can safely place shots, and not have to worry about hitting one of my own. This is something ALL families should do….
    Food for thought…… used kevlar is cheap on the internet, and vests can be had for as little as $50 bucks. So anticipate the scumbag of the future to be wearing it. Plus, post-SHTF, folks will be stripping kevlar off of dead govt jockies for their OWN use. I’ve told my friends they’d be smart to own at least ONE of these guns, just for that reason. I actually bought 2 of em, and i’m grabbing a 3rd one in a little bit, just so I can interchange parts if one ever fails.
    Folks point out that ammo availability can be tough for this gun. True, the surplus IS all gone, except for what people have on hand for private stash. Go to gunbot.net to shop for the commercial grade stuff. Sellier and Bellot, and Prvi-Partizan are the 2 big manufacturers of 7.62×25. It will tell you ALL availabilities of ANY caliber you want, and do the comparison shopping for you. I go there exclusively for ammo now.
    Finally, this is also a great pistol for female family members, AND for CC carry. The gun is surprisingly slim, so it conceals well. It doesn’t kick like a mule, and the narrow handgrips accomodate the female hand very well. Easy to train family members with…….

  11. Dan says:

    Knowing you weapon and mindset is the key. Scaring the guy off might mean he comes back with more of his buddies and overwhelming force. Shoot to put the target down and keep shooting till you achieve your goal. Every time my wife and I practice it’s with those thoughts in mind. But like Selco stated, when it comes to another human being will we have the balls to kill another human being. I believe if we are in fear of losing our life we would not have a problem.

  12. Johnny Bailey says:

    Forgive me, on the point of the story…….. Yeah, the interloper should have been taken out. Reason; he will live to perpetuate scumbaggery another day, and he will only harm more innocent and unwary people if you allow him to escape. Take care of the problem and save your friends some hassle and danger. His behavior dictates his fate as far as i’m concerned…….. Plus, he may come back to YOUR place one day when you’re not home, and pose a significant threat to your loved ones. Do the smart thing in this kind of situation. Being a bleeding heart here will NOT pay…..

  13. Johnny Bailey says:

    Dan, I wholeheartedly agree with your logic.

  14. m1super90 says:

    My debate on stopping power occurred during the early 1990’s with the gang wars and freeway shootings in Los Angeles. The 9mm Luger cartridge was the rage. The police were switching to it, the US Army was moving to it, and Glock was new. Since then, many police have moved to higher power cartridges again and the US Military issues .45ACP to special forces upon request, while the US Marines are now moving back to the 1911.

    Firepower means lots of ammo, which means smaller cartridges. Stopping power generally works in the opposite. Though, you never can tell as we had an elderly man who killed two assailants with his 2-shot derringer firing .22 shorts!

    Recently, I had a lengthy discussion with an old friend who commanded Hmong guerrilla fighters in Laos in the 60’s and 70’s, at the bequest of General Vang Pao. So many years of continuous combat enabled him to observe many things. For one, I pointed out that the M-16 now uses a different ammunition. In his war they fired the M193 cartridge (55gr, lead core, FMJ). Today we use the M855 (62gr, tungsten tip, lead core, FMJ). The new round is like an ice pick. It makes neat little holes in a person and you have to hit something vital to stop a bad guy with one round. He was stunned. He said his M-16 was deadly and would “blow chunks of meat” out of people. After more discussion I concluded that the M-16A1’s 1:14 twist rate resulted in a bullet prone to tumbling upon impact with any fleshy target. Tumbling and breaking up as it moved through the body resulted in the horrific damage he observed in the field.

    Today, the M-16 has a 1:7 twist, with AR-15 models varying between that and 1:9. Thus, using the M193 cartridge will also result in “ice pick” damage due to the overly stabilized bullet. In order to obtain the highly lethal effects of the M-16A1 today, you must revert to the 1:14 twist barrel.

    An interesting comment my friend made was that the AK-47, by comparison, was not nearly as lethal. Many times he bandaged up his men who’d been hit with them and noticed they passed nearly through. He felt that, without the 3000+ fps velocity that the 7.62 bullet was not only stable but would not fracture. He noted the exception would be soft point 7x62x39.

    As for pistol stopping power, we didn’t discuss it. My general preference is for the .45ACP or the .357 Magnum. I like the heavier weight Gold Dot bullets at present.

    As with all things, “Any gun will do if you will do” and “Any gun is better than no gun.”

    • m1super90 says:

      One more thing, my friend said he would often see a 5.56 entry wounds that had one big hole in the center and a few small holes around it. He concludes that, without striking any objects in flight, the bullets were fragmenting en route to the target. It’s possible they tumbled in flight and the aerodynamic forces tore them apart, or rotational force sheared off their jackets, but those are just my guesses.

      Also, in my initial post I mistakenly stated that 7.62×36 bullets would pass “nearly through”. I meant to write “neatly through”.

  15. Chaplain Dave Sparks says:

    Always remember your ultimate strategy — for you and your loved ones to SURVIVE. Shoot at (but miss) an attacker, he may not return — at least not alone. But what if he comes back with a dozen or more heavily armed allies? Some people imagine having their entire survival stash at one very secure bunker that they’re prepared to defend to the death. Do you have enough family and friends that there will always be someone awake and alert to defend the place 24/7?

    If the people at your bunker are all loved ones dear to you, then you might kill dozens of attackers, yet if even one of you are killed, you are defeated, at least psychologically. So what’s the alternative?

    If you must shoot at someone and there’s any risk that the person may survive and/or his friends find out where you shot him from, you’re in trouble. The solution? As Mr. Miyagi said on one of the Karate Kid movies, the best way to defend against an attack is “NOT BE THERE”. Hopefully you didn’t needlessly lead someone to your bunker, perhaps through a barter deal gone wrong. If you nevertheless did, then your best strategy is to relocate … quickly … before they pay you a return visit. Ideally, don’t rely on a single bunker, hideout, etc. Divide up your survival supplies so that you never risk having them all stolen at once.

    DISCLAIMER: I’m no big fan of killing people, but I do believe in self defense.

  16. bob sykes says:

    I read the same article, a very good study.

    The key point was that the severe pain of even a .22 lr wound detered almost all attackers. They survived, but they ran away. Of course, attackers shot with a .44 mag were on the ground or even dead.

    Again the writer emphasized shot placement and gun competency. But, the bottom line was, anything is better than nothing, if you know how to use it and have the will.

  17. Cindy says:

    I agree with finding a weapon that feels right. Something you are comfortable carrying everywhere. And then do just that. Make it second nature to strap on your weapon much like you slip into your shoes in the morning.

    Even in the comfort of my home, my side arm is on my hip. People ask me “Why?” I ask them “Why Not?”

    People ask me why I am scared…. I wink and tell them I would only be scared if I could not carry. What I am is aware.

    Train, train, and train some more. I have more than one weapon that I am very familiar with. But my “go-to” hand gun is one that has a common caliber. If I cannot find ammo, even the best weapon is a mere paper weight.

    Of course, I am sure that I am preaching to the choir.

    Stay safe my friends… and stay aware.

  18. Dashui says:

    The best article about stopping power is from a guy working in the Atlanta morgue doing autopsies , it’s easy to find if you look.

  19. chuck b says:

    May or may not include the same person, but I’ve read articles written by forensic pathologists and medical examiners that clearly state that the only way to determine what caliber – if a major caliber (9mm, ..38, 40, .45) -the only way to tell which one was used is to locate the slug and weigh/measure it, because the wounds are just too similar.

    Chuck B..

  20. Ray says:

    Yeh, Tim , Well where I’m from (eastern Ky.) That man you shot at(and didn’t kill) is just as likely to go home ,get five of his kin ,a jug of moonshine, lay an ambush and kill you. Psychology is for the sober and sane. For everyone else bullets are more effective when they kill S***

  21. Howard says:

    Selco, As a retired military with two combat tours (and 3 “cold” combat tours) I have seen my share of bullet wounds
    and yes they effect different people in different ways. ( I was wounded once, in the leg). But as to the matter of shooting to kill. I have seen many trained soldiers, when fired upon for the first ,and some the second time, Firing away in every direction but at the enemy. As I have tried to teach my grandsons, if you carry a firearm, for any reason, you must be committed to kill. Without this commitment you might as well carry a small stick.
    Keep up the good work, enjoy your articles very much as they are from someone who;’s been there.

  22. Ohio-based Active Response Training’s Greg Ellifritz- who’s also a veteran police officer- analyzed nearly 1,800 shootings over a 10-year period for “stopping power,” and concluded in that “there really isn’t that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately…even the lowly .22s.”

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

  23. Sean says:

    In a SHTF scenario with limited access to medical care and supplies it might be more advantageous to wound someone rather than kill them. In the Pacific Theater of WWII the standard Japanese round was a 6.5 mm. Probably not as deadly as the US 30.06 round, initially. However, a dead soldier does not use up additional resources the way a wounded soldier does. A soldier wounded with a low caliber round requires probably two people to evac him to medical care. Once at an aid station the wounded person requires treatment, pain killers, antibiotics, food water etc. Things that might be scarce, expensive or unavailable during a SHTF scenario. Add in demoralizing effects of the screams of a wounded person or the moans of a person slowing dying from infection, shooting someone with a low caliber, less lethal round might be to your advantage in the long run.

  24. OR_coastie says:

    I’ve heard this position before about the using of resources in the back line on the wounded, and don’t like it.
    Wounded people tell stories, and heal. They may be highly motivated next time and bring more force.
    The advantage of a “wounding cartridge” is not an advantage to the individual using it, but -may- be advantageous on a national scale in a traditional declared war. The hardware used by national armies is optimized for their purposes, not necessarily your situation.

  25. Sean says:

    While the twist of the barrel, 1:14, 1:9, 1:7 effects speed, distance, and ultimately, accuracy, on M16, AR15 etc, rifles, the ice pick effect described by one commenter can be explained by one thing, and it’s not bullet weight, or barrel twist, or anything like that. I have killed people with an M16, and hit them in fleshy parts, without encountering an organ or a bone, or large vein or artery. My kill shot encountered one of these things. If you don’t, then you get that “ice pick” effect. Simple. The reason the military went to either 1:9 twist on the M4s was to get the maximum effective range out of 62 gr. and 55gr. bullets, about 450 meters. My M16A2 in VietNam was a 1:9 twist, and killed effectively, when I placed the rounds where they would do fatal damage. It’s all about where the round lands, and nothing else matters. People that are stopped by one shot have one of two things happen to them. The shot penetrates the brain, or hits something with a major artery or vein going in or out of it, and the persons blood pressure drops immediately, causing a loss of consciousness. In the case of a brain shot, both blood pressure and the controlling brain are knocked out instantly. Heart shot, usually works the same. People sometimes survive either brain or heart shots, because the damage was not severe enough to cause a catastrophic loss of blood pressure or fatal damage to the organ in question, or both. I shot a man in the head in Cambodia, and he went down in a heap immediately. The entrance wound was just over his left eye, but the round exited almost center of the rear of his head. Entrance wound was small and round, exit wound about the size of a fist, and very bloody. Range was about 20 meters, maybe less. 55gr. bullet, M16A2, 1:9 twist, mounted over the M203 grenade launcher. But all this is why a .22 cal. can kill. Striking a critical organ, or vein or artery, or bone (bone strikes almost always cause huge pain, and a splintering of the round, and multiple bleeding points) causes most people to stop, because of loss of blood pressure. I still have the will to kill to survive. It’s actually very easy. As long as you don’t get yourself all worked up about a bunch of things beforehand. Just do it, and go on. And if you don’t want to survive, just get yourself and your friends involved in a lot of morality and philosophical discussions beforehand, and you can donate your guns and stores to whoever you “couldn’t” kill. .380, 9mm, .223, 5.56, .308, .45, .357, .44, etc will all do the job just fine. All the stats and numbers don’t mean anything. Shot placement is everything. The reason 12 gauge works so well is because OO Buck causes so much bleeding in so many places. Again, massive damage, and catastrophic loss of blood pressure.

  26. SemperFi, 0321 says:

    WRONG!
    Don’t take my word for it, do this yourself and see first hand!
    Go to the rifle range, shoot thousands of 55gr. FMJ until the barrel (1-12 twist, VN era M-16A1) wears out, you will never find fragment holes or keyholed bullets (from tumbling in flight) in the entry hole of the target paper, this is all Viet Nam era wives tales that still get repeated 40+ years later. Absolute nonsense, even from a “combat vet”.
    They fragment AFTER striking the target, and most will snap at the cannelure from yaw forces exerted as they tumble sideways in flesh, combined with the high velocity. A bullet will take the path of least resistance and as such, when striking dense tissue or bone, take another direction if it offers less drag.

  27. SemperFi, 0321 says:

    This was posted in reply to m1super90’s second comment, concerning the fragmenting bullets.
    Not to Sean or anyone else,

  28. Exothermic says:

    Many of you are probably familiar with Lt. Col. Dave Grossman’s works _On Killing_ and _On Combat_, both must-reads if you haven’t. I was waiting for someone to mention his research about the subconscious ability of people – including soldiers – NOT to kill, even when firing at an enemy… and how the U.S. military, for one, has been working hard to change that since Vietnam. Not selling for Amazon, but they can be found easily online at places like: http://www.amazon.com/On-Killing-Psychological-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932 and http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Psychology-Physiology-Deadly-Conflict/dp/0964920549/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398709307&sr=1-1&keywords=dave+grossman+on+combat

  29. Jeff says:

    I have a Norinco TT, which is definitely a tank. Unfortunately I got it too late to stock up on the cheap surplus ammo.

    The Yugo M57 variant in 9mm is also worth a look, but there are probably better pistols function-wise in that caliber. Though one cannot argue with a 9mm pistol that can also be used as a hammer when necessary.

  30. gabriel says:

    Very good selco your comments, I would add that another important thing to choose the caliber of the weapon that has ammo is available at the place where we met, ie 5.56 found in Russia is more difficult than in the U.S..

    Muy bueno tus comentarios selco, yo agregaria que otra cosa importante al elegir el calibre del arma es que haya municion disponible en el lugar donde nos encontramos, es decir encontrar 5.56 en Rusia es mas dificil que en EEUU.

  31. lifebreath says:

    The will to kill is definitely a critical issue. A group of us were recently doing CQB training with a former US special forces instructor. Each of the group was skilled with handguns, involved in competitive shooting and had various levels of tactical training. When performing a “force on force” drill with air soft guns, it was noticed by one student that many hits were to the abdomen rather than the chest. When the student asked about it, my initial thought was that it was likely a subconscious effort to depersonalize the opponent and move away from the face, i.e., avoid “killing” a human. The instructor confirmed this tendency and the reason, which has been noted in military training.

  32. Sean says:

    Under normal first world conditions people with doctors, sterile conditions and medicine people heal. In crappy conditions, dead men tell no tells but wounded people who have gone septic scream their heads off while three guys hold him down so someone can cut his leg off with a sawz-all.

  33. carpedebass says:

    Very true! I recently took quite a bit of flack for my personal carry choice. I bought a Kimber 1911 chambered in the “mighty”.45 ACP and found that I just wasn’t good with it. It didn’t fit my hands well and I wasn’t accurate with it. I traded it for an FN Herstal FNX 40. The guy ribbing me about “trading down” shut up when I told him that I could shoot any ammo from the cheap stuff to the expensive stuff and put it all in the same hole while doubling the ammo capacity in the magazine. My hope is that he will re-evaluate his personal carry choice to what he’s best with instead of following the crowd and their never-ending opinions.

    By the way, we used to have a saying at my old job…a handgun is only useful for fighting your way to a long gun.

  34. Troubleshooter says:

    in my country every weapon is illigal so i am trying to make them myself

    butterfly knife illigal so are throwing knives broadhead arrows guns etc even a katapult cant be used

    but my collection will allow me to uptain firepower if my stealth and ambush is good enough

    so much practice martial arts (illigal) knife throwing and shooting (cross)bows 50 80 and 150 pounds

    thxs for everyones insights
    greetings from the netherlands

  35. ACPUNISHER says:

    It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian …… train hard, fight easy, excellent post.

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