The end of the world

end of the world

„Fields were covered with dead bodies, no man, woman or child were seen in the open, smell of burning rubbles covered the land, crops were laying „unpicked“, still people were hungry, people had abandoned their homes and ran to the forest or hills.

Society crumbled and everything that stood for a strong state stopped to exist. New alliances were forged, old cities ruined. Hoards of mercenaries who lost their employer shrouded the land in terror…“

This is not section from some some science fiction post apocalyptic novel, or movie. It is taken from a book of medieval history where the author speaks about years after the fall of Roman empire.

One very strong empire crumbled, and suddenly chaos was in motion. The dark ages followed. Reason why empire falls is not important. How it looks when it falls is interesting.

Even more interesting is that there are not too many descriptions how it looked. Lots of years from that period are just „lost“ in historians books. Lost years. Chaos.

Do we think that if today society falls that we gonna be better than people hundreds years before. I have seen something similar in my time and I am not so optimistic.

Asteroid hitting the earth, “death planet” Nibiru, magnetic pole shifting, aliens… what is gonna happen tommorow?

Before I write more about what I believe will cause collapse of society, Jay has assembled what scientists believe will cause end of the world and humankind.

How the end of the world will happen according to science by Jay

The bad news is this planet won’t stay inhabitable for us humans forever. This is something all scientists pretty much agree on. But how will the end come?

In the last couple of years we saw increased major natural disasters, hurricanes, flooding, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions have killed thousands of people every year.

It’s quite obvious that hurricanes, flooding and earthquakes won’t cause the end of humankind because they are local phenomena. They might kill thousands or even millions of people but not all humans on this planet.

But what about volcanic eruptions? In the past many massive volcanic eruptions like the eruption of the supervolcano Toba on Sumatra about 73.000 years ago lead to bottlenecks in the evolution by killing off many species and some theories claim this event reduced the world’s human population to just 10.000.

Why are volcanic eruptions so problematic? The huge amount of ash that darkens the atmosphere leads to volcanic winters and temperatures continue to drop as this goes on.

Theories claim the eruption of Toba led to a 6 – 10 year volcanic winter and a decline of the average temperature in some areas by 15 °C / 59 F that changed life on earth dramatically and killed off many species.

This sounds bad, and there is another supervolcano bubbling under the surface in the Yellowstone area (that is unlikely to erupt during our lifetime) but even if this supervolcano would erupt it would not cause the end of humankind.

Add to that, the fact that the volcanic activity in the world is declining as the world cools out. Scientists do not believe an volcanic eruption will end the life of all humans.

Will the end of the world come from outer space?

There were rumors around that a planet called Nibiru / Planet X / Eris is heading towards the earth to smash it into pieces by the end of 2012. The problem is, it does not exist. If it did, it would be visible in the night sky right now, and astronomers (even hobby astronomers) would have seen it even decades before.

The US astronomer, Philip Plait, talks in his book about a variety of cosmic events that could mean the end of all life on earth. Most of them are so unlikely we do not even have to worry about them but… overall scientists agree the end of this world will come from outer space.

Astronomers compare the impact of asteroids with the same of other localized natural disasters.

If asteroids are big enough to cause trouble, we can spot them decades before they hit and alter their path to avoid a collision. Planets that might collide with us can be spotted centuries before they might hit with todays technology, so there is plenty of time to take action.

There are more nasty things lurking out in space though. When gigantic old stars implode, supernovas or even more massive hypernovas can shoot gamma rays millions of light years into space.

If we were hit by this, the atmosphere would suffer severe damage which would increase the mutations caused by UV light on earth and could mean the end of humankind.

The good news is that all stars in our “proximity” aren’t big or old enough for that. So this is extremely unlikely to happen anytime soon (we’re talking about millions of years here).

Time for bad news now… in one to two billion years the earth will be most likely a barren place without humans on it. The reason for that is nearby, just 8 lightminutes away… the sun.

The sun, like other stars, goes through different stadiums and will become what is known as a red giant. The mass of the sun expands and will increase the temperature on earth to over 100 C / 212 F and finally about 3-4 billion years later consume it.

That’s still plenty of time for us to find other places to live, of course. Some theories  claim that the loss of the sun’s gravity also alters the distance of the earth to the sun, but when it comes to external forces that mean the end of humankind, then the expansion of the sun is the most likely.

We’re still talking about huge periods of time here, and to be honest, looking at the mind-boggling stupidity humankind showed in the past and present we humans will find a shortcut to erase ourselves from this planet.

Either we start blowing up things with our 26.000 nuclear warheads, we create some virus we cannot fight or we deplete the earth of all its resources and a sustainable life becomes impossible.

Pollution and the chain reactions it triggers in our environment might also cause the end of the current edition of humans we have right now, the homo sapiens sapiens.

Looking back at the past, genetic bottleneck situations like the Toba supervolcanco eruption create another scenario more likely.

That is that we humans evolve and become a better, smarter and more adaptable species.

Those who survive genetic bottleneck situations are first and foremost lucky being at the right spot and the right time.

Then of course the ones that survive are the ones that are prepared and know how to live life outside of our civilized bubble we live in right now.

When we didn’t record new course material last month Selco and I had a few beers and spoke about this.

Preserving and furthering the knowledge people have about survival (which is the root knowledge that came before everything else) not only helps people who might suffer from irrational fears but actually shapes the future of humankind.

Collapse of our society by Selco

collapse of society

After Jay showed big picture, and that nothing gonna kill the earth tomorrow, back to what will cause us problems. Humans.

It is something in human nature, something that we like to think and imagine that we need some huge and big event to happen and then we gonna be in deep problems.

Truth is that we are already in deep problems. We need some small event that gonna set in motion huge trouble.

We already live in society where most sheeple trust more to TV then to their own eyes. But most of us are guilty in one way or other. How many of us are addicted to „modern“ life where is everything accessible with one click.

Food, water, heating, entertainment… We get everything ready, packaged, nicely wrapped, delivered to our hands. It is so comfortable, I love it too.

If credible looking politician on TV say to us that he can fix all problems people are happy. This nice looking guy takes responsibility for everyone so nobody has to take care of themselves…

Slowly but very effectively politicians and modern society is taking everything away from us: ability to defend (act by the rules and society will defend you) our skills (you gonna have food, heating, house, car… all you need is to act by the rules) … and most of us are grateful because we think we are doing fine, we have our needs covered.

But at what cost?

We become lazy, ignorant idiots. Most of us. We are already zombies, dependent on a system full of promises. Not everyone but most of us.

There is a small number of people who like to ask questions, who like to think with their own head. For that small number of folks there are names reserved by society: weirdos, conspiracy theorists, lunatics… you… readers of

I mean in what kind of society we are living if it is strange when man wants to know how to survive in urban environment when disaster hits, hunt for food, make fire for heat, have means to defend himself, know how to live in wilderness. How crazy (or sane) is that?

Now we can just wait for some event to set the chaos in motion. It can be widespread unrest or long term power grid failure because of EMP, or some bigger pandemic. Or simply one nasty economic crisis and we are gonna be in full scale SHTF situation.

But real killer is that simple and ordinary guy who is sitting in his chair, watching soap opera, eating popcorn. Ordinary man who trust mainstream media and cares only about his own little world.

He is our Nibiru.

He is gonna stay by TV watching the announcement that something terrible is happening in town 200 miles from him, some epidemic maybe, and he is gonna believe in smart looking guy, „pandemic expert“ that everything gonna be fine, that government can contain that.

Days after he is gonna believe in good news even when he can not get his relatives on phone in other part of country because some „glitch“ in phone company.

Then he is gonna reassure his family and friends that everything gonna be OK, there is a folks who are gonna take care for that. They like to hear that because everyone likes good news.

Even when power goes out he is gonna keep good faith in future, „they gonna fix that!“ Maybe he is gonna be slightly disturbed without his favorite news station on TV.

After he realized that there is no food anymore in house, maybe then he gonna go out and check things, and be probably shot by someone in front of the empty and looted supermarket.

I was like that guy when the war started and I trusted the experts. I’m wiser now.

There are 95% of people who will figure out too late that they do not know what they gonna do when SHTF.

When people are left alone without system and forgotten all ways how to take care of their own lifes then we have real SHTF.

So in one sentence what will bring end to humankind? That human individuals gave up their independence and lost their ways.

Most of the world is living in over-inflated bubble which runs on resources, and resources are running out faster and faster.

Problem is that most of the people do not think too much about how food water energy etc. comes to them. Most of the people think it is going to be like that forever. Most people are stupid (unfortunately).

Once when bubble is gone, everything changes. And we do not need asteroid for that. Simple thing like greater military conflict in middle east can be trigger to lead to chain of events that can result in chaos.

Or how things would look if power grid goes out? Can you remember chaos when electricity goes off for few days in bigger cities, sometimes even few hours without electricity in city brings everything to halt.

How it would look if electricity disappear for few months. It would bring world to chaos, and it would be very hard to go back.

Whatever triggers this results will be same, civilization will be pushed back in dark ages. Forget about emergency services, hospitals, community… People will be divided to those who are gonna survive, and ones who are gonna vanish.

We do not even need a killer planet crushing us to bring us chaos, we will do it alone. Take care of ourselves.

I am gonna describe how things could unfold, from real life, from my experience, very shortened and simplified:

  1. People trust their government. Trust the system.
  2. Common people are unaware (great majority) of real agenda of politicians, they follow them, they liked promises about more wealth, more jobs, more security , democracy…
  3. Some rumors go around of how government just helps few business to get richer, about selfish motives of people in power.
  4. Leaders want to make sure they stay in power and start with installing fear in people, fear from others, different (in the same time they insist on differences even where there was not differences).
  5. Leaders insist on thesis that they gonna defend people from whatever and whoever, as long as they follow the leaders. People do not think about personal security, personal wealth etc. Leaders (society) gonna provide all that. Protect the system and system protects you.
  6. Suddenly people wake up in world without job, security, safety etc. People realize nobody takes care of them when things go really bad. By that time leaders and their networks have gained tremendous power and resources from that chaos in all kinds of ways.

Any of this sounds familiar? Welcome to today.

Governments job today is to balance suffering and promises. To balance beatings and compliments and when some event changes that balance and pain for people get too much, welcome to the end of the world as we know it.

What event do you think could trigger this? Please share in comments.

49 responses to “The end of the world”

  1. Onegreenguy says:

    I don’t think it would take too much to trigger it right now with the world we live in as it currently is…one big powder keg waiting to explode. All the dominos are in place waiting for the right first one to tip…like the assisination that started WWI or the invasion of one country by another that started WWII. What will it be this time? Another terrorist attack? A drought or crop failure touching off wars? The collapse of the international banking system’s derivitives leading to economic and financial collapse worldwide? Pandemic? What does it matter really? The main point and focus should be are you and yours ready for it? If not how much longer do you need to prepare? They can’t keep this patched together for too much longer…

    • Selco says:

      I agree, everything is just over stretched. I think only one “correct” event may set all in motion. Maybe it is going to be something that does not look so dangerous in first look. Maybe another revolution-unrest can be trigger, or even new flue. Yes point is how we are prepared for that, because we can not change events that gonna start everything.

  2. Tracy says:

    11:11/12/21/2012 is 3 hours away as I type this, and HF radio is acting normally. So it seems that the most likely prospect (according to scientists) of a calamity for this day, CME, is probably not going to happen. Now if 10 Meters were wide open right now, I might be worried.

    I think the most likely event will be monetary system failure with attendant failure of government-managed services, followed immediately by civil unrest.

  3. NATHAN says:

    The end of the world as we know it will be caused be drought. There are six bread baskets in the world….Canada, USA, Argentina, Australia, China and Russia. All are in temperate climate regions and all have had droughts. The key is that when one has a drought there is enough from the others to cover for a short time.

    The end will come when there is drought in three at once. Then the world supply of grain becomes very short. We have seen what happens when food becomes short in North Africa, The Arab Spring caused the downfall of Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and Syria is on its way.

    The end of the world will come to cities. All cities require all services to be imported. When people are without food, they riot. This closes roads, this stops vital services very quickly.
    Then as has been described in this web site, life changes to bare survival.

    The above description is, of course the short version, but you get the idea.

    I feel 90% of the world will die when cities become death traps. Only those living self sufficient lives singly or in camps will survive.

    What will life look like for them? Think back to the 1880’s USA for the developed world. The undeveloped world will be like the 1950’s. Life will recover. It will take a few decades but we have the accumulated knowledge of the past and life will return to a modern form of life, but with far fewer people.

    Without the industrial affects on our atmosphere, the world climate will slowly return to what it was like in 1950.

    The above description is, of course the short version, but you get the idea.

  4. 15 minutes before I read this post, I was telling my husband that “the problem” is that people have lost their individual sovereignty — they let “others” [gov’t, corporations] do their most basic needs: their own education, the education of their children, their ability to grow/hunt food, their ability to defend themselves from threats, their ability to even SEE any threats around them, their ability to think for themselves, and on and on and on.

  5. Ed says:

    3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

    5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds[a] of wheat for a day’s wages,[b] and six pounds[c] of barley for a day’s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

    7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

    9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.

    12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

    15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

    The Trumpets

    6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

    7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

    8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

    12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

    13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”

    Revelation 9

    New International Version (NIV)

    9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

    7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

    12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

    13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

    17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

    20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

    • DocB says:

      Yeah that’s what we need, more mythology and fairy tales, that’ll help, thanks.

      • T Keaton says:

        Wow, DocB. I’ve been waiting to meet someone as smart as you are. Obviously, you’ve been everywhere and know about everything to so easily dismiss a collection of material that dares to declare itself the Word of God. After all, the Bible was only written over a period of 1500 years on 3 continents by 40 or so authors, from widely varying backgrounds, on extremely controversial subjects but with amazing harmony of content. And, it obviously was just lucky to have predicted so many things that have already come true, or to have known that the earth was a sphere almost 2000 years before Galileo, or to anticipate the resurrection of modern Israel, or… well, you get the point.

        How silly of me to have trusted a book that declared around 60 A.D. that everything that we can see is made of things that cannot be seen. Here I was, stupid enough to believe that this may have been a reference to the existence of molecular or even atomic and sub-atomic particles.

        The content of the material given by Ed is from a book that is so authoritative that one of the verses near its end says, “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things…” Doc, everything the book predicts will happen exactly as it says. I pray that before it does, you come to Jesus, whose death on the cross was for you too, .

        • Susan says:

          Bravo, perfectly stated.

        • Amen. The Bible is so sublime that its most precious treasures are visible only to those who have humbled themselves, having realized their pompous, inflated opinions of themselves are nothing more than a child pretending to be a superhero.

          Only then does the previously incredible brilliance of the Good Book reveal itself and reveal itself it does.

          Arrogant DocB hasn’t the faintest clue that he literally does not know what he does not know.

          Listen up DocB: I’ve got at least as much education as you formal and informal at some of the most prestigious institutions in our land.

          It all pales in light of the Light.

          Humble yourself before your God Almighty and beg his forgiveness of your arrogance and your ignorance.

          Then you will see for the first time in your life that there is much more to life than materialistic worship, starting with the worship of the Self.

    • Jim says:

      OMG lay off the Religious BS. Wake up and realize it was designed by the Oligarcs and used throughout time to placate you and control you. A simple method whereby the few control the masses of unwashed. We may be few but we speak for the BIG GUY so you’d better watch out or else. You Dam fools. BO will ban all guns by executive fiat thus insulating Congress who’ll throw their hands into the air, both Demicans and Republicrats, and say gee what-ever can we do. This will fulment the Second American Civil War. The one they’ve been gearing us up for since Bushy Sr. When we are done eliminating each other the UN rides in on the Blach Horse “DEATH” to ring in the NWO. Oh, I mean to save the day. Or maybe the planets will align and the poles will shift and you’ll all be Raptured. When the sheeple discover they can vote their own Largess from the Government Coufers THIS COUNTRY IS LOST>

  6. tim says:

    What is the title of the book you quote from?

    Fields were covered with dead bodies, no man, woman or child were seen in the open, smell of burning rubbles covered the land, crops were laying „unpicked“, still people were hungry, people had abandoned their homes and ran to the forest or hills.

    • Selco says:

      Hello Tim
      Rudolf Horvat “Croatian history”and you are probably not going to find English translation. But i suggest few other more popular author (you can easily find it) like Edvard Gibbon, Peter Heather, William Hardy McNeill…
      Actually some of the authors give interesting reasons for falling of empire, reasons like epidemics, overpopulation and lack of food, wars…

  7. Aussie Mick says:

    It will not be the end of the will be the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. Nothing happens by accident..TEOTWAWKI is being planned, the program is almost in place. The program is known as AGENDA 21…and is being implimented by the UN. There is now no distinction between Big Govt. and Big Biz…the former is controlled by the latter. Agenda 21 is taking control of food,water, and power…the funding systems are taxes of all types…carbon taxes are to be the most lucrative of all. Control the food and water…you control the people. In Australia, water acess for farmers is being restricted, farming land is being closed down,,acess to fish stocks is being denied by the declaration of “marine parks”. There will be no private ownership of houses, land, farms or water supplies..Govts. are stealing water rights from individuals in almost every country. The main stream media are keeping the ‘sheeple in the giving them the ‘mushroom treatment’…keeping them in the dark..and feeding them on bullshit. Ask yourself..who owns the media? Same people who control the financial system, banks, big pharma. 147 major corporations control the world…they in turn are owned and controlled by a few families…Rothschilds,,Rockefellers…add to them the members of the Bildeberg group…and you have itin a nutshell. When TSHTF it will be every man for himself..I believe the trigger will be another major false flag the one they have just pulled off in the USA…to bring about gun control. EVERY war for the last 100 years has been has the next one..Syria..and the next one…Iran…and then….. The only person you can rely on is YOU.

    • hillhag says:

      @ Aussie Mick. I agree with everything you said except where the next war will be. I think the powers that be in the U.S. are positioning this country to bring it here. The elite are buying land in South America , I hear, with plans to leave here. The false flags are fooling people to give away more and more liberty for an imagined security. Should they try to take the guns, then the axe will fall, bringing civil war. The administration has been working diligently to divide the people by rac, religion, and income, and implementing other strategies. Our own military will not work for the gov’t because it is spread thinly over the globe and U.N. forces are positioned here without loyalty to the populus. As I see it, the chaos and further threat in the Middle East is a deterrent to keep the Americans off guard. Americans in general are gullible and gladly eat the B.S. from the TV. Love of comfort and convenience will do us in. While as many as a million Americans may be aware and prepare on some level, as a country we are done. I’ve watched it coming for at least forty years. I could be wrong, but that’s what I see.

      • Peter says:

        @hillhag you wrote-Our own military will not work for the gov’t because it is spread thinly over the globe and U.N. forces are positioned here without loyalty to the populus.
        Well, this itself will be a great opportunity to acquire all sorts of weapons if you get my drift! What do you think Selco?

        • Selco says:

          I think it is going to be somehow different. Most probably there is not gonna be real government. You see when there is no government that mean there is no army (real army). Army is real army only when have proper (strong and real) society to stand for it. Without that army is just lot of people with weapons, and their will to do what they think it is need to be done, alone or in groups, bigger or smaller, fractions, militias, call it what you like.
          U.N. forces were unable to “force” something big even in smaller conflicts in other regions in the world in better condition. In my opinion in future big SHTF scenario some real outside intervention will be not probable, just because it will be bad everywhere.
          All this is just my opinion based from what i saw. But i am sure in one thing, when SHTF terms like “army, loyalty,populus” somehow gets lost and everything gets to how you are prepared, you and your group. You do not even think about that terms.
          Yea, it will be time to acquire some things on quick way, but also that gonna be chaotic and dangerous time to go and check things. Quick way but life is very cheap in times like that. Better thing is to stay low, armed, prepared and ready for everything while chaos is outside.

  8. Rick says:

    I agree that there will be massive civil unrest. In the looming financial crisis the monetary system will cease as we know it and most (if not all) of those who depend solely on the government will be cut off from their “benefits” and have to fend for themselves. After milking the system for so long they will feel entitled to be taken care of and riot when it doesn’t happen. Of those who do survive the cities they will realize that the only way to survive is to leave the city. When they get to the urban areas people are less likely to give them what they want and violence will continue. Urban dwellers who have prepared will be ready and there will be much bloodshed. Eventually the city folk will be defeated and life will smooth out with the urban and country people becoming the providers of both things and leadership.

    I give up nothing to the government and question them at every chance. If they tell me the sun is rising in the East I tell them to prove it.

    • john says:

      in the absence of government maybe…

      But what will really happen is the government will cling to their power by searching for people to “skim” and give to those that might riot.

  9. HABCAN says:

    Hillhag…………I think as you do and have seen the same over the same period of time. Core people in our countries (rural North Americans) have always thought alike. When civil war erupts there, American patriots will be welcomed in Canada or when the ice moves south, Canadian patriots will be welcomed in the US. That tenuous border will certainly disappear, at least in the West. The coasts may fold, but the center will hold.

  10. Dashui says:

    I think agricultural failure. Too much fossil fuel is needed, for every 1 calorie we eat 10 calories
    Of fuel is used. So it’s really a net loss, overall.

  11. Dashui says:

    The good news is American have the “strategic fat reserve” around their waist. we will be the last ones left standing, that is if we were able to stand up from being so fat.

    • pdxr13 says:

      I’d rather be strong and relatively lean, than packing 100+# of “strategic reserves” at 3500 calories per pound. That sounds like some Bio-Fuel for a Diesel engine made of animal fats. Even if you don’t get turned into APC fuel, starving down fat is an awful thing. You will lack vitamins and energy while your body panics and goes into starvation mode. With enough water, and a bit of roughage, you might live. Getting digestion restarted in a food crisis might finish you off, unless you are in a post-apocalypse feeding hospital.

      P-T now hurts a lot less.


    • Shellshock says:

      I think we may have found the world’s first SHTF stand-up (perhaps) comedian. We’ll need that ability…

  12. DocB says:

    I don’t know if this one will come first, but the conditions for an out-of-control Middle East are ripe right now. If the Israel-Arab conflict broke into full-scale confligration or a revolution spread into Saudi Arabia, the oil supplies would be a prime target and there you have the pivot to petroleum shortages.
    We have been lucky so far in that what happened in Kuait did not simultaneously happen in Iran, Saudi, and Iraq, too. What would it take to control or at leaset disrupt the 21-mile wide strait of Hormuz?
    Once trains, trucks and tractors stop rolling, then food delivery, production, and electricity go dark to a large degree and shortages are fast and inevitible.
    Even if a large-scale long term disaster did not happen, no one is in worse shape for being prepared to last a winter without outside help. Make it for 5 months, and you’ll be better off than a huge portion of your unprepared neighbors,

  13. Duane Niesen says:

    Selco, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have long believed that the human race will eventually take itself out. We are already on a non-sustainable destructive path. If there is any chance of surviving it will be by those who have taken the responsibility as their own and not those who are dependent on the empty promises and propaganda of the government, media, etc. Well put!

  14. BobbyD says:

    Here are a couple of Havenly messages (of many) to a person in Columbia that relate to the “end of times, as we know them”. Many will reject them outright but please give them a reading with an open mind first. The translation is choppy and they use some words in ways we N. Americans wouldn’t but the intent is there if you read between the lines. If you have further interest, go to:


    3 August 2012 8:10 AM

    Call from Sacrament Jesus to humanity

    The collision of two asteroids will form my glorious cross. The impact will shake the earth and will move the earth’s axis, by shortening the time more and more. The Holy and Divine Will of my Father will not permit that these two asteroids crash with the earth, because if this happens would be catastrophic for creation and creatures. My Father will permit the collision in the space to show to men His Greatness and His Mercy for the goodness of mankind; in contrast of the disaster, the mankind will see My Glorious Cross that will be shining in the sky during seven days and nights announcing proximity of ‘warning’.

    My children, be prepare for this great event and do not be afraid; my Glorious Cross will be healing and redemption for many, but others will reject it, and many others will say that It is an unimportant celestial phenomena. The scientists will say it is a cosmic phenomenon as alignment of planets; but you my people know that it is a call from heaven to be prepared to awakening of consciousness.

    My children, all events have accelerated for the evil and sin of this impious generation; therefore in His Holy Will My Father will send you these signs for you to reconcile with God, and to return as soon as possible to the path or your salvation. The Holy Trinity does not want keep losing so many souls by lack of knowledge. Be thankful to My Father because is big His love and eternal His mercy, that even knowing that you are a stiff-necked race, He will give you opportunity to come back to Him, for return the way which will lead you to the Eternal Life.

    Again, I tell you, prepare my children, for your eyes will see events, never before seen by any eye; blessed you that although your wickedness and sin, My Father chose you for tomorrow, many of you, been His inheritors, His chosen people. Pray my children, with my Mercy Chaplet, do not miss my hour for I am granting many indulgences to the souls at this time or darkness.

    My peace be with you, and my blessing protect you.
    Your father: Jesus of Nazareth; The friend who never fails.

    Make known my messages in all corners of the earth


    30 July 2012 3:30 PM

    My flock, already the hour of truth is approaching. The time of Divine Justice is about to begin. Oh! Creatures the fair cup of the wrath of God is overflowing and it is ready for pour out over nations! Woe will be heard very soon for everywhere; the creation of My Father from its entrails will groan, and the daily routine of mankind will transform in chaos and desolation. The whole humanity will know the existence of God.

    Time is not time, all has begun to transform; birds will flee in disbandment very soon announcing that the peace in earth is about to finish. The people of God, whom are scattered in other countries to their original places they will come back. My flock gathers around Me and waits in silence my soon return. Signs in the sky will announce that my coming is about; I tell you that My Father has decreed His Holy Will, any time now everything will change; many will not have time to come back to God, because they let all for last hour, including their salvation.

    My children, I tell you that the time already started regressive account; the days have begun to shorten more and more and it will arrive to the limit; this will be another sign that will announce you that my days are about. Sheep of My flock, pray for each other because tribulation that is coming, never before has been see it in the earth. Let your worldly concert, for I truly tell you, that no stone was left upon stone on how much you know; the course of Divine Justice will change all, everything will transform.

    This world that you know has begin its transformation; watch in silence the sunrise in the morning and the sunset in the evening; share in family this last days before the night arrives, because night is desolation and cry time. Again, I tell you, woe of those women, who are giving birth in those days for no one will listen them! Tribulation will come suddenly, and many will remain in oblivion, the ground will bury them, and their souls will be lost forever.

    My Divine Justice many will find with lamps off as the foolish virgins; so they will say: Lord, Lord, open to us, and I will answer them: I truly tell you, I do not know you. (Mt 25, 11-12)

    Great events that will change destiny of mankind are about to begin, wealth will be lost, and with this all those who trust in it. The mankind will be whipped for the crisis of tribulation and the scourge of famine to many will devour. Oh senseless and foolish, stop accumulating treasures, because nothing will remain; the money will roll along the floor, and will be garbage that nobody will pick it up! Be prepared! so all will come suddenly, when least expected My Justice will knock on your door. When mankind feels safe, it is when at least safe will be. Then let your worries and worldly cares, rather be worry for reach the goal of your salvation. Be ready, I tell you again, for the awakening of consciousness of My Father, whom very soon will be knocking at your doors of your souls.

    My little children, screams war will be heard very soon; everything is planed, nations are preparing for war and the blood of many braves will plunging into mourning the creation. Do not lose any more time making plans to short or long term, so I truly tell you nothing will come true just my world will fulfilled as written: heaven and earth will pass but my worlds shall not pass. Then be prepared my flock for the trumpets again will sound; be prepared and oil your lamps with prayer so smooth the way for my triumphant return.
    My peace leaves you, mi peace I give you.
    Repent and convert because the Kingdom of God is close.
    Your Master, Jesus of Nazareth, the Eternal Shepherd of sheep.

    Make my messages known, sheep of my flock.

  15. RegT says:

    I am not anti-religion, and believe in the Judeo-Christian moral code of my upbringing, although I am a heathen now.

    But, think on this for a moment: Bobby D and the others are right.

    “Your Master, Jesus of Nazareth, the Eternal Shepherd of sheep.

    Make my messages known, sheep of my flock.”

    Religious people may indeed be sheep. Sheep who trust in the Lord to aid and protect them, just as the “entitled” welfare drones and food-stamps collectors trust in the Government to aid and protect them.

    Can you see the similarity? Neither is prepared to be self-sufficient. Both expect their “Eternal Shepard”/Great Leader to take care of them.

    We need to do this ourselves, folks, on our own. If there is indeed a G-d, he will expect you to do what must be done, not wait for him to provide. We know our coke-snorting, gay bath-house visiting, Marxist President isn’t going to do anything beyond making promises he has no intention of keeping.

    • BobbyD says:


      Read more carefully.

      “My children, be prepared for this great event”.
      “Again, I tell you, prepare my children”
      “Be prepared, all will come suddenly, when least expected My Justice will knock on your door”.
      “Then be prepared my flock”
      “Be ready, I tell you again,”

      Yes, He does expect you to do what must be done.

  16. indyjonesouthere says:

    I surely do agree with that. I too stepped aside of the kumbaya social justice church in the 60’s. An effeminate religion does not reflect the religion I grew up in where Joshua led those seeking to seperate themselves from the ruling elite. God gave us the sense to know these are not normal times and that there is a season for everything. It is the season to prepare your family for very unpleasant times. So do it.

  17. Ed says:

    Among the ancient prophecies regarding Israel is that she would also become a thorn in the side of the world. And 2500 years ago the bible predicted would become a burdensome stone for the nations to lift. “And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.” (Zechariah 12: 3)

    So Israel was destroyed in 72 AD, and now shes back from the dead. What nation has ever done that before?? They certainly are in the the thick of what could easily turn in to WWIII, Iran WILL have nukes, Israel has them, both will use them if push comes to shove.

    “Realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God…” (2 Timothy 3:1-4)

    This passage sounds like a typical evening newscast today! Notice the three things it says people will love in the end times: self, money, and pleasure.

    You may not believe, that doesn’t mean its not true. I once was blind but now I see. I didn’t understand that for a long time.

    Would I be on this site if I wasn’t aware of what was going on around me?????

  18. muddyb00ts says:

    “do not fear the one who can take your flesh, but fear the one who has the power to take your soul” … don’t know the book or verse, but it’s what Jesus said.

    “Expect the best, but prepare for the worst” … who hasn’t heard that before?

    Keep your soul clean, your ammo close, and your boots on.

    ’nuff said

  19. Wayne says:

    I agree with Tims comment to an extent. I personally expect whenTSHF it will be caused from an economic collapse. Our dollar will have no value and as a result no one can buy food ,staples, pay bills , ect.ect.ect…Only real assets will be like money. gold,silver,ect. And if anyone knows you got it, they will take it.And that includes your government. It is survival time people. Get it yet ?
    No one will have a job and as a result of that of course no one will have water, electricity,Gas, ( due to innoperable utilities who will not have employees to keep the systems on-line.) heat, air, or any nessesary convenience of modern man. Wake up people, this will end Life as you know it forever. People will be takers and people will be prey. As far as the government goes. Martial law will be enacted to try to put an end to the killings,robbings,beatings that will come to our collapsed society and sickness we will all live with and then a possible take over by military standards will be enevitable.( With the thinking of – They are going to save us.) The question then will be what military. Ours or world ? ?? Dosen’t really matter for by then you will have no freedoms left . Better toughen up People, The soft life we have all come to know so well could end at any time now. The outrageous debt this country has accumulated and the reluctance of our idiot politicians to live within our own countrys means can only eventually mean one thing and thats the one that will get us in the ass. We can only blame ourselves, we elected the asswipes and then we re-elected em and then we re-elected em again. You reap what you soe. Cooked squrril meat Anyone ?

  20. Comrade X says:

    IMHO we are there now, on the edge waiting to fall, my concern is that we don’t fall till a generation of two down the road and we just linger there on the edge, inching closer with our toes exposed and more and more of our feet getting exposed until we/those yet to come lose their balance and fall.

    I would prefer to get it over in my lifetime and not leave this to our grand kids or theirs & theirs, that we have to deal with it, maybe we can’t get it over/make it right no matter what in our lifetime but heck I sure would like to give it a shot, my best shot while I am still here.

    The waiting is also/almost worst than the fall because at least with the fall, if you survive, you have a shot at making things right unless someway/somehow the opportunity arises now where we can make a real difference.

    Waiting and preparing is what we have now but don’t forget to enjoy life(small ways are as good as anyway) too because in this world it will be the only one you have!

    Merry Christmas to all!

  21. Kooch says:

    After studying the maya, aztec and inca just a little, it is clear of what the calendar meant… To them, they saw it as a trigger for change… They would walk away from cities and pyramid building and become either farmers or conquer new empires… The calendar simply marked the date… Maybe, the world will become more peaceful if this change became reality… Because we have been in such horible wars this past century or so… Fingers crossed…

  22. How the world ends doesn’t matter. What matters is how you prepare BEFORE SHTF.

  23. James says:

    I think the trigger will be Iran along with Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Gaza, and Sinai Arabs invading Israel. Iran will burn Israel pretty much to the ground in one night. They will also hit the US with an EMP, and in an instant, America will be stuck with no electricity, food, water, gasoline or transportation. Uncontrolled fires will break out, and large portions of large cities will burn for lack of fire fighters and equipment and water. Gangs will form and roam the streets looking for anything and anybody. They will kill anyone that tries to stop them. This will go on until patriots overcome the nihilists and restore some semblance of the Republic.


  24. Stephen C says:

    Just consider any mild disaster in recent years, how ill-equipped the ‘authorities’ were. So the end of this global civilization ‘as we know it’ will come from some mild natural event that has the ability to feed off itself, i.e. it’s self-reinforcing and continues for a while in a vicious cycle. Our human societies’ inability to respond will cascade as the disaster continues. The likeliest natural disaster would be a contagion that can genetically adapt in its hosts in a matter of weeks, and out of that our intricate matrix of institutions would start collapsing. The financial system will likely find variable means of self-correcting, though this becomes less likely as governments increasingly try to control markets.

    • Selco says:

      Most of the people expecting some big event to be cause to SHTF. We just need something that gonna push situation over the point when there is no returning. And then people gonna be surprised “how it happened?”
      People are always surprised later, but signs are there, everywhere around us.
      Authorities and services are not prepared for that moment, even in most modern parts of world things can work only to certain moment, and after that is chaos.

  25. Redstone says:

    I get this strong feeling that the trigger has been pulled on December 19 th and the gears are turning unseen as of yet. What it is and where it is? I do not know for sure yet. I am deeply connected to Earth’s vibrations and energy fields and something has changed in its flow. This could be nothing more than a slightly more than it’s normal wobble.
    “Energy has always been and will always be and forever moving.” For me, God is energy and energy is God. Its presence is everywhere and in everything (visible or not). I use positive energy and action to counterbalance negative energy and forces as a way of living and balancing the energy fields around me. At times, negative energy is needed to combat negative forces to return the balance back.

    If those who read the bible word for word, will miss out on the messages it has to offer. The scriptures were written for the past, present and the future at the same time. And there has been a lot of human interference with these original scriptures to control the people to meet their agenda. So read the works with great caution. Hopefully the bible readers have a well functioning brain and a sense of logic. There have been way too many innocent victims from those who don’t have either.

    ‘Arab Spring’, ‘Occupy Movement’, etc. and now the ‘Idle-No-More’ are just the beginning of the people rising up to injustice and corruption. Those who think of themselves as God are perplexed. Do nothing and these protests will continue to grow. Do something extreme and this will explode into WW Revolution and war against the rich & powerful (French Revolution on a world wide scale). I think this is a very likely future SHTF. Some wealthy numskull will trigger the people with a stupid unthinking statement like “Let them eat the cakes”.
    December 21, 2012 date has passed, yet the dangers are still there and very real. Today it is called ‘Prepping’, but later on it will be simply called ‘Living’.

  26. rabid1 says:

    blame will take everyone down. It seems to be the base response. It’s always the other person that causes the problem, but in reality what actions do you do daily that work towards your survival? No matter what, it always comes down to you.

  27. Daniel says:

    “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.” — Thomas Paine, Age of Reason

    Religion brings out the very worst traits of our species, perverting natural inclinations into a pious stubbornness that is only limited by our imaginations. Selco, if you think trusting governments is foolish and harmful, look at those who trust in organized religions.

    Did the bible folk get some things right? Who knows? Who cares? Judeo-Christian followers are too busy self-fulfilling the very worst “prophecies” imaginable for us to rationally and fairly separate fact from fiction. It is the religious zealot who has accomplished the near-limitless power of the destroying tyrant.

    As Denis Diderot purportedly put it: “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”

  28. fidalgoman says:

    You ask what event might trigger a collapse. Looking around the world it has been everything from plague, famine, religious uprisings, government coups, civil war, invasions, inflation et al.

    There are many triggers but the bottom line is that in all these trigger events the result is the corruption and fall of a culture. It has a beginning and ends in the infrastructure collapsing followed by cultura chaos. Out of that chaos, the rubble is all the survivors have left to restart a culture. It seems like a very long time before that culture climbs very high. Seldom does the Calvary come to the rescue in time.

    There are of course creative destructions as in the Renaissance in which the old was destroyed and replaced with something new, brighter and better. But I don’t think that is what’s on the horizon. The harbengers seem to say otherwise.

    I find myself both an optimist and a cynic. Optimist in that it makes for a lighter heart and better life. Also because living in a culture such as I do people are more drawn to sunshine than to gloom. Cynic because as a student of history and of the world around me it would be foolish not to be.

  29. rob says:

    Here in New England, we see some relatively severe infrastructure failure from weather. Its as common as dirt for ANY of us to lose electric power for 1-30 days. We are ALL use to it and we all prepare…except for those “new people.”

    Yes…new folks from Massachusetts and warm states have moved up here and are, for some strange reason, not “getting it.” They are not tuning into the Winter dangers. They are not prepared for the daily life-threats like a car going off the road in a snow storm, wherein they will then be fully vulnerable to freezing to death. They don’t carry adequate emergency water, clothing, signaling and NO ONE driving by will even notice them. People die from their lack of survival instinct every year around here.

    They will go to supermarkets when they can get to it. the shelves clear-out in three hours. Anyone with survival instinct have stocked shelves already. The non-survivor will drive into a storm with 1.4 tank of fuel and expect to be able to buy some…with a credit card that no longer works.

    These non-survival-instinct zombies are not learning either. They repeat the same bad and dangerous ignorance over and over….year-after-year. I no longer have tollerance for anyone (even relatives) who lack survival instinct.

    As long as the TV Remote works and the beer is cold, the world is just fine for them. They won’t get in MY way when the SHTF…I’ll be prepared and never need to encounter their dumb-ass.

  30. Margie says:

    I actually don’t know what will be the trigger, like you/Selco mentioned, I think we are already in a spiraling downward situation. Whether its extreme weather, war, financial collapse – whatever – we are already entering the end of the way of life we were used to. Any little additional stress puts a bigger strain on a boat that’s already not stable. Even my family in the US who used to roll their eyes and mock me, are now preparing to some degree.

    No one mentioned yet all the nuclear facilities and the problems with Fukishima. When there is no government or funding to keep these facilities under control, this will cause a lot of damage to life.

    I’m glad places like your (Selco’s) blog exist. Although I am not fully prepared, and doubt I ever could be, I have over the last years become more and more self sufficient just BECAUSE of what you’ve written. I’ve imagined some of the most threatening scenarios and then tried to figure out what I could do to overcome the obstacles of those situations and the net has been incredibly helpful in finding solution.

    Thank you Selco.

  31. Dave Z says:

    As a systems guy, I doubt we’ll know what the trigger event was. The Ohio branch that brushed a high-voltage power line, causing the Blackout of 2003 was discovered after things got back to normal. But if they don’t? We’ll be guessing blind, with none left standing to say, yeah, that was it.

    I think a likely – and barring accident – inevitable, very sudden collapse will come via financial collapse. No matter how it starts, economic connections are the truly global ones. If finance fails, supply chains fail. More than about a week and that’s it..

    More than half of everybody now lives in an urban center (2000+ people). Average food supply of 2 to 3 days. No supply, then the cities first implode, then explode, tearing up infrastructure as they go. Every scrap that looks edible will get eaten, including seed and livestock. Food production and distribution are down for the count. Wild game hunted out. Trees felled and burned for warmth.

    That leaves us in wherever we are when the lights go out.

    I think survival may start urban but ends up rural after food on hand is consumed. So I vote to start rural, far from the nearest urban center.

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